bkuhn: @lxoliva,if you know jurisdictions where this sort of innovative !GPL...
@lxoliva,if you know jurisdictions where this sort of innovative !GPL enforcement by users is possible,I urge you to coordinate such. Cc me!
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn I know CC.br lawyers defend the theory that this is possible
@bkuhn I know CC.br lawyers defend the theory that this is possible
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn they defend the theory that, per .br law, GPL is a unilateral...
@bkuhn they defend the theory that, per .br law, GPL is a unilateral contract with a 3rd-party beneficiary that can demand the benefits
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn that sounds nonsensical to me, for it 3rd party could sue...
@bkuhn that sounds nonsensical to me, for it 3rd party could sue licensee, then it wouldn't be a unilateral contract, but...
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn ... they're lawyers and I'm not, and law doesn't have to make...
@bkuhn ... they're lawyers and I'm not, and law doesn't have to make sense to non-lawyers, right? :-) never tried in court AFAIK
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn IIRC there was a case in France that got worldwide attention,...
@bkuhn IIRC there was a case in France that got worldwide attention, that downstream recipient managed to demand compliance from mitm
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn it was this French case that got me thinking that the theory...
@bkuhn it was this French case that got me thinking that the theory might hold water in Roman (as opposed to Common Law) jurisdictions
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva, sounds weird to me too. However, we should try it! Can you...
@lxoliva, sounds weird to me too. However, we should try it! Can you (a) find a !GPL violation in .br & (b) ask these folks to help enforce?
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn but what I'm suggesting is an explicit grant of permission in...
@bkuhn but what I'm suggesting is an explicit grant of permission in GPL to demand compliance from upstream. why can't it be unilateral?
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva, yes, that's #VNC enforcement !FSF.fr helped w/. But IIRC it...
@lxoliva, yes, that's #VNC enforcement !FSF.fr helped w/. But IIRC it relied on formal contract btw 2 parties re: disclosure of sw licenses.
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn @pedroparanagua, would you guys like to help us try this...
@bkuhn @pedroparanagua, would you guys like to help us try this theory, described in the FGV report on the GPL prepared for ITI?
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva,I understand idea. It doesn't work under USA © b/c it's not a...
@lxoliva,I understand idea. It doesn't work under USA © b/c it's not a right that © holder can grant to others via © license. (cc: @fontana)
View Articlebkuhn: @pedroparanagua & @lxoliva, I'd love to work on this novel idea for...
@pedroparanagua& @lxoliva, I'd love to work on this novel idea for .br !GPL enforcement. Send me email if you're interested & we'll discuss
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn are patent licenses rights that a © holder can grant to...
@bkuhn are patent licenses rights that a © holder can grant to others via © license?
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva, #swpats licenses in !GPL are expressed as conditional...
@lxoliva, #swpats licenses in !GPL are expressed as conditional requirements one must fulfill to gain © permissions. That's why they work.
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva, !GPL *could* say:"If you get notice from a user that you're...
@lxoliva, !GPL *could* say:"If you get notice from a user that you're out of compliance,you lose distribution right",but that's #problematic
View Articletedks: @bkuhn I've heard of copyright trolls with "enforcement rights" to...
@bkuhn I've heard of copyright trolls with "enforcement rights" to movies; could I give large numbers of people said rights to my software?
View Articlebkuhn: @tedks, only way it works is if you form an org to be a !copyright...
@tedks, only way it works is if you form an org to be a !copyright enforcement agent. e.g., !Conservancy does this for !BusyBox re: !GPLv2.
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn err, that's not how I understand GPLv3 section 11. initial ©...
@bkuhn err, that's not how I understand GPLv3 section 11. initial © holder fits “contributor” definition, thus grants patent license
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva, well, indeed, the © holder is granting something along w/...
@lxoliva, well, indeed, the © holder is granting something along w/ the license, but only enforcement hook if they fail is usual !GPL ones.
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